{"id":348323,"date":"2025-09-21T13:13:33","date_gmt":"2025-09-21T18:13:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2025\/09\/21\/why-friends-dont-let-friends-define-recessions-as-two-consecutive-quarters-of-negative-gdp-growth\/"},"modified":"2025-09-21T13:13:33","modified_gmt":"2025-09-21T18:13:33","slug":"why-friends-dont-let-friends-define-recessions-as-two-consecutive-quarters-of-negative-gdp-growth","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2025\/09\/21\/why-friends-dont-let-friends-define-recessions-as-two-consecutive-quarters-of-negative-gdp-growth\/","title":{"rendered":"Why Friends Don\u2019t Let Friends Define Recessions as Two Consecutive Quarters of Negative GDP Growth"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> [ad_1]<br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>That\u2019s exactly what <a href=\"https:\/\/www.heritage.org\/markets-and-finance\/heritage-explains\/bidens-recession\">EJ Antoni did in \u201cBiden\u2019s Recession\u201d (August 1, 2022)<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>In terms of how we define it or what marks a recession, the basic understanding is that when the economy shrinks for two consecutive quarters, so three months, and then another three months, that\u2019s a recession. The reason that the White House has been making a lot of hay of, oh, that\u2019s not official definition, blah, blah, blah. Okay. I suppose there is no technical official definition, but I\u2019ve taught plenty of economics courses. That was what we used in every single class. That\u2019s what you\u2019ll see in most, if not all economics textbooks. That\u2019s been the understanding for the last 100 years. So the idea that this is somehow new or not true, I dismiss that out of hand.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I think many people would be surprised to know that the US national accounts went back to 1922. I myself am only able to obtain BEA data back to 1947, but perhaps Dr Antoni has some special data he\u2019s whipped up.<\/p>\n<p>I daresay I\u2019ve taught more classes in macro than Dr. Antoni has (at UC Berkeley, UC Santa Cruz, UW Madison). I\u2019m pretty certain I never said \u201c2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth is <strong><em>the<\/em><\/strong> definition of a recession\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s a reason why I don\u2019t. It\u2019s related to why the NBER\u2019s Business Cycle Dating Committee waits a long time after an obvious peak to declare recessions \u2014 because the data are revised, sometimes very long periods after the data are first released, thereby altering our understanding of the path of GDP.<\/p>\n<p>To illustrate this, consider GDP as of the advance release for 2022Q2, and the latest (2025QQ2 2nd release):<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/recession2022h1z.png\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-58079\" src=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/recession2022h1z.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1008\" height=\"576\" srcset=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/recession2022h1z.png 1008w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/recession2022h1z-300x171.png 300w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/recession2022h1z-768x439.png 768w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/recession2022h1z-624x357.png 624w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1008px) 100vw, 1008px\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Figure 1:<\/strong> Real GDP from 2025Q2 2nd release (black), and\u00a0 2022Q2 advance release (light blue), both in logs 2021Q4=0. EJ Antoni\u2019s recession shaded light blue. Source: BEA via FRED, ALFRED.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>This re-envisioning is not uncommon. <a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/archives\/2022\/11\/reminder-using-the-two-consecutive-quarter-rule-there-is-no-2001-recession\">The 2001 recession was only briefly (for a few vintages) characterized by two consecutive quarters of negative growth<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Moreover, Dr. Antoni (if he is willing to acknowledge that the (quarterly*) GDP data from BEA starts only in 1947) should be acquainted with the <a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/archives\/2024\/08\/ej-antoni-on-the-recession\">1947 experience of 2 consecutive quarters of growth, not accompanied by a NBER determination of recession<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Interestingly, Dr. Antoni as recently as a four months ago <a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/archives\/2025\/05\/ej-antoni-redefines-recession-as-what-the-american-people-feel\">argued that the 2 quarter criterion should\u00a0<\/a><strong><a style=\"font-size: 1rem;color: #0f3647\" href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/archives\/2025\/05\/ej-antoni-redefines-recession-as-what-the-american-people-feel\"><em>not<\/em><\/a> <\/strong><a style=\"font-size: 1rem\" href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/archives\/2025\/05\/ej-antoni-redefines-recession-as-what-the-american-people-feel\">be used, in the case of 2025H1, should Q2 growth be negative\u2026<\/a><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Addendum:<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p>* Commenter <a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/archives\/2025\/09\/why-friends-dont-let-friends-define-recessions-as-two-consecutive-quarters-of-negative-gdp-growth#comment-321127\">John Hall<\/a> correctly points out BEA GDP data at the ANNUAL frequency goes back to 1930.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<p>[ad_2]<br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/archives\/2025\/09\/why-friends-dont-let-friends-define-recessions-as-two-consecutive-quarters-of-negative-gdp-growth\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[ad_1] That\u2019s exactly what EJ Antoni did in \u201cBiden\u2019s Recession\u201d (August 1, 2022): In terms of how we define it or what marks a recession,<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":348324,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[155],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/348323"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=348323"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/348323\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/348324"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=348323"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=348323"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=348323"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}