{"id":272788,"date":"2025-03-23T22:39:12","date_gmt":"2025-03-23T22:39:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2025\/03\/23\/when-will-ej-antoni-end-his-recession-call\/"},"modified":"2025-06-25T17:09:05","modified_gmt":"2025-06-25T17:09:05","slug":"when-will-ej-antoni-end-his-recession-call","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2025\/03\/23\/when-will-ej-antoni-end-his-recession-call\/","title":{"rendered":"When Will EJ Antoni End His Recession Call?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> [ad_1]<br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>EJ Antoni concludes we\u2019re <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=RgZrtz1YStU\">in a recession<\/a>, and elsewhere, <a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/archives\/2024\/10\/recession-since-2022-magic-asterisk-mystery-meat-special-sauce-approach-to-national-income-accounting\">have been since 2022<\/a>. On the other hand, he argues (rightly) that <a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/archives\/2025\/03\/ej-antoni-who-believes-weve-been-in-recession-since-2022-worries-that-democrats-will-misunderstand-gdpnow-to-claim-were-entering-a-recession\">we shouldn\u2019t take a face value GDPNow\u2019s reading for Q1<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>What\u2019s Dr. Antoni\u2019s basis for judging the US economy has been in recession since 2022? In basically irreproducible results (see this <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ssc.wisc.edu\/~mchinn\/OnASO.pdf\">paper<\/a>), he and Peter St Onge claim that US GDP properly deflated has been falling since 2022.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/altgdp_antoni_stonge2.png\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-56110\" src=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/altgdp_antoni_stonge2.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1022\" height=\"532\" srcset=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/altgdp_antoni_stonge2.png 1022w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/altgdp_antoni_stonge2-300x156.png 300w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/altgdp_antoni_stonge2-768x400.png 768w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/altgdp_antoni_stonge2-624x325.png 624w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1022px) 100vw, 1022px\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Figure 1:<\/strong> BEA GDP (black), GDP incorporating PCE using Case-Shiller House Price Index \u2013 national\u00a0 times mortgage rate factor index, using BEA weight of 30% (green), GDPNow as of 3\/18 (light blue square), Antoni-St.Onge estimate for 2024Q2 (red square), all in bn.Ch.2017$ SAAR. NBER defined peak-to-trough recession dates shaded gray. Source: BEA, S&amp;P Dow Jones, Fannie Mae via FRED, NBER, and author\u2019s calculations.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I should note that elsewhere, Dr. Antoni has dated the recession t<a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/archives\/2024\/10\/ej-antoni-heritage-foundation-aug-5-i-would-not-be-surprised-if-a-recession-is-backdated-to-july-or-the-current-month\">o July or August 2024<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Recently, Dr. Antoni has <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/RealEJAntoni\/status\/1902763810722587047\">taken to touting the industrial production surge<\/a> as evidence of a coming resurgence \u2014 so my prediction is that he will soon call an end to the recession of 2022-2024.\u00a0 I\u2019ll just note that industrial production is not one of the key indicators followed by the NBER Business Cycle Dating Committee (employment and personal income ex-transfers). For context, here\u2019s a graph of the latest readings on those, along with industrial production and manufacturing and trade industry sales.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/recindic_jan25f.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-56070\" src=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/recindic_jan25f.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"835\" height=\"532\" srcset=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/recindic_jan25f.png 835w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/recindic_jan25f-300x191.png 300w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/recindic_jan25f-768x489.png 768w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/recindic_jan25f-624x398.png 624w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 835px) 100vw, 835px\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Figure 2:<\/strong>\u00a0Nonfarm Payroll incl benchmark revision employment from CES (bold blue), implied NFP from preliminary benchmark through December (thin blue), civilian employment as reported (orange), industrial production (red), personal income excluding current transfers in Ch.2017$ (bold light green), manufacturing and trade sales in Ch.2017$ (black), consumption in Ch.2017$ (light blue), and monthly GDP in Ch.2017$ (pink), GDP (blue bars), all log normalized to 2021M11=0. Source: BLS via FRED, Federal Reserve, BEA 2024Q4 advance release,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.spglobal.com\/marketintelligence\/en\/mi\/research-analysis\/us-monthly-gdp-index-for-october-2022.html\">S&amp;P Global Market Insights<\/a>\u00a0(nee Macroeconomic Advisers, IHS Markit) (3\/3\/<\/em><em>2025 release), and author\u2019s calculations.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Interestingly, Dr. Antoni has made no mention of sentiment indices, even though in <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/RealEJAntoni\/status\/1801736559487541340\">June he remarked on the MIchigan sentiment<\/a>. For context, here are the latest readings on expectations.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/expectedpix_std1.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-56009\" src=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/expectedpix_std1.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"849\" height=\"561\" srcset=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/expectedpix_std1.png 849w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/expectedpix_std1-300x198.png 300w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/expectedpix_std1-768x507.png 768w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/expectedpix_std1-624x412.png 624w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 849px) 100vw, 849px\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Figure 3:<\/strong>\u00a0U.Michigan expectations index (blue), and NY \u201cbetter off\u201d aggregate (tan), both demeaned and standardized (2013M06-2025M02). Source: U.Michigan, NY Fed, and author\u2019s calculations.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<p>[ad_2]<br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/archives\/2025\/03\/when-will-ej-antoni-end-his-recession-call\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[ad_1] EJ Antoni concludes we\u2019re in a recession, and elsewhere, have been since 2022. 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