{"id":261544,"date":"2024-10-03T00:56:24","date_gmt":"2024-10-03T00:56:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2024\/10\/03\/google-says-its-ai-designs-chips-better-than-humans-experts-disagree\/"},"modified":"2025-06-25T17:11:00","modified_gmt":"2025-06-25T17:11:00","slug":"google-says-its-ai-designs-chips-better-than-humans-experts-disagree","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2024\/10\/03\/google-says-its-ai-designs-chips-better-than-humans-experts-disagree\/","title":{"rendered":"Google says its AI designs chips better than humans \u2013 experts disagree"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> [ad_1]<br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div id=\"\">\n<figure class=\"ArticleImage\">\n<div class=\"Image__Wrapper\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"Image\" width=\"1350\" height=\"900\" alt=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg\" sizes=\"(min-width: 1288px) 837px, (min-width: 1024px) calc(57.5vw + 55px), (min-width: 415px) calc(100vw - 40px), calc(70vw + 74px)\" srcset=\"https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=300 300w, https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=400 400w, https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=500 500w, https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=600 600w, https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=700 700w, https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=800 800w, https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=837 837w, https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=900 900w, https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=1003 1003w, https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=1100 1100w, https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=1200 1200w, https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=1300 1300w, https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=1400 1400w, https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=1500 1500w, https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=1600 1600w, https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=1674 1674w, https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=1700 1700w, https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=1800 1800w, https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=1900 1900w, https:\/\/images.newscientist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/02195809\/SEI_224192044.jpg?width=2006 2006w\" loading=\"eager\" fetchpriority=\"high\" data-image-context=\"Article\" data-image-id=\"2450454\" data-caption=\"Can AI design a chip that\u2019s more efficient than human-made ones?\" data-credit=\"Yuichiro Chino\/Getty Images\"\/><\/div><figcaption class=\"ArticleImageCaption\">\n<div class=\"ArticleImageCaption__CaptionWrapper\">\n<p class=\"ArticleImageCaption__Title\">Can AI design a chip that\u2019s more efficient than human-made ones?<\/p>\n<p class=\"ArticleImageCaption__Credit\">Yuichiro Chino\/Getty Images<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p>\n<p>Google DeepMind says its artificial intelligence has helped design chips that are already being used in data centres and even smartphones. But some chip design experts are sceptical of the company\u2019s claims that such AI can plan new chip layouts better than humans can.<\/p>\n<p>The newly named AlphaChip method can design \u201csuperhuman chip layouts\u201d in hours, rather than relying on weeks or months of human effort, said <a href=\"https:\/\/scholar.google.com\/citations?user=uyFDSDwAAAAJ&amp;hl=en\">Anna Goldie<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/scholar.google.com\/citations?user=I1nZzWsAAAAJ&amp;hl=en\">Azalia Mirhoseini<\/a>, researchers at Google DeepMind, in a <a href=\"https:\/\/deepmind.google\/discover\/blog\/how-alphachip-transformed-computer-chip-design\/\">blog post<\/a>. This AI approach uses reinforcement learning to figure out the relationships among chip components and gets rewarded based on the final layout quality. But independent researchers say the company has not yet proven such AI can outperform expert human chip designers or commercial software tools \u2013 and they want to see AlphaChip\u2019s performance on public benchmarks involving current, state-of-the-art circuit designs.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIf Google would provide experimental results for these designs, we could have fair comparisons, and I expect that everyone would accept the results,\u201d says <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cs.binghamton.edu\/~pmadden\/\">Patrick Madden<\/a> at Binghamton University in New York. \u201cThe experiments would take at most a day or two to run, and Google has near-infinite resources \u2013 that these results have not been offered speaks volumes to me.\u201d Google DeepMind declined to offer additional comment.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"js-content-prompt-opportunity\"\/><\/p>\n<p>Google DeepMind\u2019s blog post accompanies an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/s41586-024-08032-5\">update<\/a> to Google\u2019s 2021 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newscientist.com\/article\/2280321-google-is-using-ai-to-design-processors-that-run-ai-more-efficiently\/\"><em>Nature<\/em> journal paper<\/a> about the company\u2019s AI process. Since that time, Google DeepMind says that AlphaChip has helped design three generations of Google\u2019s Tensor Processing Units (TPU) \u2013 specialised chips used to train and run generative AI models for services such as Google\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newscientist.com\/article\/2406746-google-says-its-gemini-ai-outperforms-both-gpt-4-and-expert-humans\/\">Gemini chatbot<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The company also claims that the AI-assisted chip designs perform better than those designed by human experts and have been improving steadily. The AI achieves this by reducing the total length of wires required to connect chip components \u2013 a factor that can lower chip power consumption and potentially improve processing speed. And Google DeepMind says that AlphaChip has created layouts for general-purpose chips used in Google\u2019s data centres, along with helping the company MediaTek develop a chip used in Samsung mobile phones.<\/p>\n<p>But the code publicly released by Google lacks support for common industry chip data formats, which suggests the AI method is currently more suited for Google\u2019s proprietary chips, says <a href=\"https:\/\/scholar.google.com\/citations?user=CHIZtZAAAAAJ&amp;hl=en\">Igor Markov<\/a>, a chip design researcher. \u201cWe really don\u2019t know what AlphaChip is today, what it does and what it doesn\u2019t do,\u201d he says. \u201cWe do know that reinforcement learning takes two to three orders of magnitude greater compute resources than methods used in commercial tools and is usually behind [in terms of] results.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Markov and Madden critiqued the original paper\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/spectrum.ieee.org\/chip-design-controversy\">controversial<\/a> claims about AlphaChip outperforming unnamed human experts. \u201cComparisons to unnamed human designers are subjective, not reproducible, and very easy to game. The human designers may be applying low effort or be poorly qualified \u2013 there is no scientific result here,\u201d says Markov. \u201cImagine if AlphaGo reported wins over unnamed Go players.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In 2023, an independent expert who had reviewed Google\u2019s paper<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/d41586-021-01515-9\"> retracted<\/a> his <em>Nature<\/em> commentary article that had originally praised Google\u2019s work. That expert, <a href=\"https:\/\/cse.ucsd.edu\/people\/faculty-profiles\/andrew-b-kahng\">Andrew Kahng<\/a> at the University of California, San Diego, also ran a <a href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/TILOS-AI-Institute\/MacroPlacement#faqs\">public benchmarking effort<\/a> that tried to replicate Google\u2019s AI method and found it did not consistently outperform a human expert or conventional computer algorithms. The best-performing methods were commercial software for chip design from companies such as Cadence and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newscientist.com\/article\/2403629-nvidia-wants-to-use-ai-chatbots-to-help-build-better-chips\/\">NVIDIA<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cOn every benchmark where there\u2019s what I would consider a fair comparison, it seems like reinforcement learning lags behind the state of the art by a wide margin,\u201d says Madden. \u201cFor circuit placement, I don\u2019t believe that it\u2019s a promising research direction.\u201d<\/p>\n<section class=\"ArticleTopics\">\n<p class=\"ArticleTopics__Heading\">Topics:<\/p>\n<\/section><\/div>\n<p>[ad_2]<br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newscientist.com\/article\/2450402-google-says-its-ai-designs-chips-better-than-humans-experts-disagree\/?utm_campaign=RSS%7CNSNS&#038;utm_source=NSNS&#038;utm_medium=RSS&#038;utm_content=home\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[ad_1] Can AI design a chip that\u2019s more efficient than human-made ones? 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