{"id":255565,"date":"2024-08-19T22:05:47","date_gmt":"2024-08-19T22:05:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2024\/08\/19\/ej-antoni-on-the-recession\/"},"modified":"2025-06-25T17:12:03","modified_gmt":"2025-06-25T17:12:03","slug":"ej-antoni-on-the-recession","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2024\/08\/19\/ej-antoni-on-the-recession\/","title":{"rendered":"EJ Antoni on the Recession"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> [ad_1]<br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>of 2022H1, in light of his declaration of <a href=\"https:\/\/savejersey.com\/2024\/08\/economist-e-j-antoni-tells-matt-rooney-data-suggests-were-already-in-recession\/\">recession now<\/a>. From <a href=\"https:\/\/www.heritage.org\/markets-and-finance\/heritage-explains\/bidens-recession\">August 1, 2022, from Heritage Explains episode \u201cBiden\u2019s Recession\u201d<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>In terms of how we define it or what marks a recession, the basic understanding is that when the economy shrinks for two consecutive quarters, so three months, and then another three months, that\u2019s a recession. The reason that the White House has been making a lot of hay of, oh, that\u2019s not official definition, blah, blah, blah. Okay. I suppose there is no technical official definition, but I\u2019ve taught plenty of economics courses. That was what we used in every single class. That\u2019s what you\u2019ll see in most, if not all economics textbooks. That\u2019s been the understanding for the last 100 years. So the idea that this is somehow new or not true, I dismiss that out of hand.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>As it happens, this is<a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/archives\/2022\/08\/a-peak-in-2021-q4-business-cycle-indicators-at-the-beginning-of-august\"> what I wrote on that same day<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>If one took GDP as the determinant of\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nber.org\/research\/business-cycle-dating\">NBER determined business cycles<\/a>, this is what the picture would look like (normalizing on mid-Q4):<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/recindic_aug22_beagdp.png\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-45941\" src=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/recindic_aug22_beagdp.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"820\" height=\"763\" srcset=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/recindic_aug22_beagdp.png 820w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/recindic_aug22_beagdp-300x279.png 300w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/recindic_aug22_beagdp-768x715.png 768w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/recindic_aug22_beagdp-624x581.png 624w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 820px) 100vw, 820px\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Figure 1:<\/strong>\u00a0Nonfarm payroll employment (bold dark blue), Bloomberg consensus as of 8\/1 (blue +), civilian employment (orange), industrial production (red), personal income excluding transfers in Ch.2012$ (bold green), manufacturing and trade sales in Ch.2012$ (black), consumption in Ch.2012$ (light blue), and monthly GDP in Ch.2012$ (pink), official GDP, 2022Q2 advance (blue bars), all log normalized to 2021M11=0. Source: BLS, Federal Reserve, BEA via FRED, IHS Markit (nee Macroeconomic Advisers) (8\/1\/2022 release), NBER, and author\u2019s calculations.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The six plotted series are those focused on by the NBER Business Cycle Dating Committee, in addition to official BEA GDP, and IHS Markit\u2019s monthly GDP (not currently on the list). Of the key six, nonfarm payroll employment (black) and personal income ex-transfers are given more weight.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Note that these are \u201creal time\u201d data (i.e., what we actually knew at that time). While personal income was trending sideways, nonfarm payroll employment was rising strongly. Arguments that employment was actually falling seem in retrospect dubious (and even<a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/archives\/2022\/08\/nonfarm-payroll-employment-and-preliminary-benchmark-revision\"> at the time<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s the current vintages picture of economic activity during this period.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/recindex_recap.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-53345\" src=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/recindex_recap.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"820\" height=\"532\" srcset=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/recindex_recap.png 820w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/recindex_recap-300x195.png 300w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/recindex_recap-768x498.png 768w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/recindex_recap-624x405.png 624w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 820px) 100vw, 820px\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Figure 2:<\/strong> Nonfarm payroll employment (bold dark blue), civilian employment (orange), industrial production (red), personal income excluding transfers in Ch.2017$ (bold green), manufacturing and trade sales in Ch.2017$ (black), consumption in Ch.2017$ (light blue), and monthly GDP in Ch.2017$ (pink), official GDP, 2024Q2 <\/em><em>advance (blue bars), all log normalized to 2021M11=0. Hypothesized 2022H1 recession shaded light green. Source: BLS, Federal Reserve, BEA via FRED, IHS Markit (nee Macroeconomic Advisers) (8\/1\/2022 release), NBER, and author\u2019s calculations.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Notice the contours look different for several series. This is a reminder that the data get revised.<\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019re still worrying about NFP (birth-death model and all that stuff), remember there\u2019s been a benchmark revision since the 2022 data. Here\u2019s what the data look like now, for NFP, QCEW and population from the household survey.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/empl_recap.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-53347\" src=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/empl_recap.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"878\" height=\"532\" srcset=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/empl_recap.png 878w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/empl_recap-300x182.png 300w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/empl_recap-768x465.png 768w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/empl_recap-624x378.png 624w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 878px) 100vw, 878px\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Figure 3:<\/strong> Nonfarm payroll employment (bold blue), QCEW total covered employment (orange), civilian employment as reported (light blue), adjusted to add in extra 3.8 mn immigrants (red) (see text), all in 000\u2019s, seasonally adjusted. QCEW seasonally adjusted by author using X-13 in logs. Hypothesized 2022H1 recession shaded light green. Source: BLS, Dallas Fed, and author\u2019s calculations.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The calculation of the adjusted civilian employment series is reported in this <a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/archives\/2024\/07\/an-alternative-civilian-employment-measure\">post<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Dr. Antoni\u2019s argument is focused on the two-quarter GDP rule-of-thumb. We know that GDP is subject to large revisions over time, so even if one hewed to the two-quarter rule-of-thumb, one could get different answers over time. GDO and GDP+ are alternative measures.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/gdppix_recap.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-53346\" src=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/gdppix_recap.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1022\" height=\"576\" srcset=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/gdppix_recap.png 1022w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/gdppix_recap-300x169.png 300w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/gdppix_recap-768x433.png 768w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/gdppix_recap-624x352.png 624w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1022px) 100vw, 1022px\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Figure 4:<\/strong> GDP (bold black), GDO (tan), and GDP+ (sky blue), all in bn.Ch.2017$ SAAR. GDP+ scaled to 2019Q4 GDP. Hypothesized 2022H1 recession shaded light green. Source: BEA, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.philadelphiafed.org\/surveys-and-data\/real-time-data-research\/gdpplus\">Philadelphia Fed<\/a>, author\u2019s calculations.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>So, recession in 2022? I don\u2019t think so. Finally, remember this assertion:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>[The 2 consecutive quarter rule] was what we used in every single class. That\u2019s what you\u2019ll see in most, if not all economics textbooks. That\u2019s been the understanding for the last 100 years.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Not true in the textbooks I used. I don\u2019t know what textbooks Dr. Antoni used. My suggestion. Look at the data, in particular, GDP growth over a longer span.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/recession_of_1947.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-53348\" src=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/recession_of_1947.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1008\" height=\"576\" srcset=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/recession_of_1947.png 1008w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/recession_of_1947-300x171.png 300w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/recession_of_1947-768x439.png 768w, https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/recession_of_1947-624x357.png 624w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1008px) 100vw, 1008px\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Figure 5:<\/strong> Quarter-on-Quarter real GDP growth annualized for official series (blue), and for Ramey series (tan). NBER defined peak-to-trough recession dates shaded gray. Source: BEA, <a href=\"http:\/\/econweb.ucsd.edu\/~vramey\/research\/Ramey_Govt_Public_Data.xls\">Valerie Ramey<\/a>, NBER, and author\u2019s calculations.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Note <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nber.org\/research\/data\/us-business-cycle-expansions-and-contractions\">NBER<\/a> does not date a recession to 1947, when there were two consecutive quarters of negative growth.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<p>[ad_2]<br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/econbrowser.com\/archives\/2024\/08\/ej-antoni-on-the-recession\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[ad_1] of 2022H1, in light of his declaration of recession now. 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