{"id":254877,"date":"2024-08-16T13:28:25","date_gmt":"2024-08-16T13:28:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2024\/08\/16\/mark-spitznagel-warns-a-recession-might-happen-this-year\/"},"modified":"2025-06-25T17:12:17","modified_gmt":"2025-06-25T17:12:17","slug":"mark-spitznagel-warns-a-recession-might-happen-this-year","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/2024\/08\/16\/mark-spitznagel-warns-a-recession-might-happen-this-year\/","title":{"rendered":"Mark Spitznagel warns a recession might happen this year"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> [ad_1]<br \/>\n<br \/><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/img-assets\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/GettyImages-2165010433-e1723570642786.jpg?w=2048\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Over the past few years, the U.S. economy has seemingly pulled off an incredible feat. Even with stubborn inflation and rising interest rates weighing on consumers and businesses nationwide, and wars in the Middle East and Europe subduing global growth, there\u2019s been few signs of an American recession.<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>The bust phase of the modern business cycle that so many Wall Street forecasters said was an <a href=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/2023\/03\/27\/recession-2023-layoffs-tech-finance-unemployment-outlook-fed-rates-murray-sabrin\/\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/fortune.com\/2023\/03\/27\/recession-2023-layoffs-tech-finance-unemployment-outlook-fed-rates-murray-sabrin\/\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\" rel=\"noopener\">inevitability<\/a> not long ago appears to have gone missing. And it\u2019s not only the economy flying in the face of this conventional business cycle wisdom\u2014U.S. stocks have soared in recent years as well, despite considerable headwinds.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Wall Street\u2019s bulls argue this is all an uncommon, but not unheard-of economic \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/07\/25\/u-s-economy-gdp-growth-2024-q2\/\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/07\/25\/u-s-economy-gdp-growth-2024-q2\/\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\" rel=\"noopener\">soft landing<\/a>,\u201d driven by consumers and businesses that are now structurally more resilient to higher borrowing costs. Some even claim we\u2019re living through a period of <a href=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/06\/23\/american-exceptionalism-us-economic-outlook-stock-market-forecast-dollar-dominance-europe-china\/\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/06\/23\/american-exceptionalism-us-economic-outlook-stock-market-forecast-dollar-dominance-europe-china\/\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\" rel=\"noopener\">American economic and market exceptionalism<\/a>, or a \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/01\/22\/stock-market-economy-outlook-ed-yardeni-roaring-20s-stagflation-70s-dotcom-bubble-90s\/\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/01\/22\/stock-market-economy-outlook-ed-yardeni-roaring-20s-stagflation-70s-dotcom-bubble-90s\/\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\" rel=\"noopener\">Roaring 2020s<\/a>,\u201d due to factors like the U.S.\u2019s relative energy independence and exposure to the AI boom.<\/p>\n<p>But for Mark Spitznagel, co-founder and CIO of the private hedge fund Universa Investments, all of these ideas are merely attempts to find a story to explain how \u201cit\u2019s different this time,\u201d when the reality is history tends to repeat itself, or at least rhyme.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s not different this time, and anybody who says it is really isn\u2019t paying attention,\u201d Spitznagel said in an interview with <em>Fortune<\/em>, adding \u201cthe only difference is the magnitude of this bubble that\u2019s popping is bigger than we\u2019ve ever seen.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Spitznagel has claimed for years now that the Federal Reserve helped blow up the \u201cgreatest <a href=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/2023\/08\/05\/black-swan-hedge-fund-mark-spitznagel-interview-taleb-credit-bubble\/\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/fortune.com\/2023\/08\/05\/black-swan-hedge-fund-mark-spitznagel-interview-taleb-credit-bubble\/\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\" rel=\"noopener\">credit bubble<\/a> in human history\u201d with years of loose monetary policy\u2014and he\u2019s warned that all bubbles eventually pop, giving him a reputation as a permabear that he\u2019s tried hard to <a href=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/04\/06\/mark-spitznagel-hedge-fund-permabear-cassandras-make-terrible-investors\/\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/04\/06\/mark-spitznagel-hedge-fund-permabear-cassandras-make-terrible-investors\/\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\" rel=\"noopener\">shake<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Even now, with most Wall Street experts turning bullish this year, the veteran hedge funder is worried about the economy. He believes the negative impacts of the Fed\u2019s monetary tightening in a period with elevated levels of corporate, consumer, and government debt have simply been delayed.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Recent signs of a cooling economy and peaking stock market, including a rising <a href=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/08\/02\/unemployment-hiring-jobs-report-july\/#:~:text=Unemployment%20rate%20jumped%20to%204.3,hiring%20hit%20the%20brakes%20%7C%20Fortune\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/08\/02\/unemployment-hiring-jobs-report-july\/#:~:text=Unemployment%20rate%20jumped%20to%204.3,hiring%20hit%20the%20brakes%20%7C%20Fortune\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\" rel=\"noopener\">unemployment rate<\/a>, an <a href=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/08\/13\/home-depot-projects-weakened-sales-spelling-shaky-economic-conditions\/\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/08\/13\/home-depot-projects-weakened-sales-spelling-shaky-economic-conditions\/\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\" rel=\"noopener\">increasingly wary<\/a> consumer, and volatile market action, shouldn\u2019t be ignored, according to Spitznagel, whose patented strategy, called tail-risk hedging, seeks to profit from sharp market downturns.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis is a run-of-the-mill tightening process, peaking process, inversion process, moving into recession. I\u2019d be surprised if we\u2019re not in recession by the end of the year,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">A \u2018tinderbox\u2019 economy\u00a0<\/h2>\n<p>Not long ago, many Wall Street forecasters were in Spitznagel\u2019s bearish camp, warning of an impending recession. But most no longer see an imminent risk of an economic or market crash. After predicting impending pain for years, <a href=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/company\/bank-of-america-corp\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/fortune.com\/company\/bank-of-america-corp\/\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\" rel=\"noopener\">Bank of America<\/a> is no longer forecasting a U.S. recession at all this year, while JPMorgan and <a href=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/company\/goldman-sachs-group\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/fortune.com\/company\/goldman-sachs-group\/\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\" rel=\"noopener\">Goldman Sachs<\/a> put the odds of recession at just <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bloomberg.com\/news\/articles\/2024-08-07\/jpmorgan-boosts-us-recession-chance-to-35-by-end-of-this-year\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/www.bloomberg.com\/news\/articles\/2024-08-07\/jpmorgan-boosts-us-recession-chance-to-35-by-end-of-this-year\" rel=\"noopener\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\">35%<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/08\/04\/recession-outlook-probability-25-percent-2025-us-economy-fed-rate-cuts\/#:~:text=Recession%20outlook%3A%20Goldman%20raises%20odds,Fortune\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/08\/04\/recession-outlook-probability-25-percent-2025-us-economy-fed-rate-cuts\/#:~:text=Recession%20outlook%3A%20Goldman%20raises%20odds,Fortune\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\" rel=\"noopener\">25%<\/a> over the next 12 months, respectively, not far above the 15% historical average.<\/p>\n<p>Still, Spitznagel\u2014who\u2019s employed <a href=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/2023\/02\/01\/black-swan-author-nassim-taleb-stock-market-economy-inflation\/\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/fortune.com\/2023\/02\/01\/black-swan-author-nassim-taleb-stock-market-economy-inflation\/\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\" rel=\"noopener\">Nassim Taleb<\/a>, the statistician and academic who popularized the concept of the <a href=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/2023\/06\/13\/chaos-kings-book-nassim-taleb-black-swan-spitznagel-scott-patterson\/\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/fortune.com\/2023\/06\/13\/chaos-kings-book-nassim-taleb-black-swan-spitznagel-scott-patterson\/\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\" rel=\"noopener\">rare and unexpected event<\/a> called a \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/01\/31\/nassim-nicholas-taleb-black-swan-author-national-debt-death-spiral\/\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/01\/31\/nassim-nicholas-taleb-black-swan-author-national-debt-death-spiral\/\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\" rel=\"noopener\">black swan,<\/a>\u201d as a \u201cdistinguished scientific advisor\u201d\u2014brushed off the bullish views on Wall Street. He argues the current, relatively stable economy is \u201cnot inconsistent\u201d with the lagged effects of the Fed\u2019s tightening. \u201cIt takes time for the higher cost of debt to make its way into the system,\u201d the hedge funder explained.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ve been stuck in a brief <a href=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/04\/06\/mark-spitznagel-hedge-fund-permabear-cassandras-make-terrible-investors\/\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/04\/06\/mark-spitznagel-hedge-fund-permabear-cassandras-make-terrible-investors\/\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\" rel=\"noopener\">Goldilocks zone<\/a> as higher borrowing costs work their way through the economy, but that will soon end.<\/p>\n<p>Why? Spitznagel says the Fed built up a \u201ctinderbox\u201d economy by keeping interest rates near zero and juicing the economy with quantitative easing\u2014a policy of buying mortgage-backed securities and U.S. Treasuries\u2014for as long as it did. These policies created an environment where businesses and consumers borrowed heavily to invest and spend because it was cheap, he says, and that led to high levels of debt and kept unsustainable business models artificially afloat.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>To his point, U.S. non-financial corporations currently had a record $13.7 trillion in debt in the first quarter of this year, according to <a href=\"https:\/\/fred.stlouisfed.org\/series\/BCNSDODNS\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/fred.stlouisfed.org\/series\/BCNSDODNS\" rel=\"noopener\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\">Fed data<\/a>. And total global debt hit a record $315 trillion in the first quarter as well, according to the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.iif.com\/Key-Topics\/Debt\/Monitors\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/www.iif.com\/Key-Topics\/Debt\/Monitors\" rel=\"noopener\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\">Institute of International Finance<\/a>. Much of that debt is government debt, but Spitznagel is worried about sustainability there, too.<\/p>\n<p>The U.S.\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/04\/07\/national-debt-immoral-hedge-funder-mark-spitznagel-universa-investments\/\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/04\/07\/national-debt-immoral-hedge-funder-mark-spitznagel-universa-investments\/\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\" rel=\"noopener\">national debt<\/a> topped $35.1 trillion this summer, and the U.S. debt-to-GDP ratio is now expected to hit 116% by 2034, according to the Congressional Budget Office\u2014that\u2019s higher than what was seen during World War II. The situation looks similar abroad as well.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-datawrapper wp-block-embed-datawrapper\">\n<p><iframe class=\"\" aria-label=\"Interactive line chart\" id=\"datawrapper-chart-T05y2\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"453\" loading=\"lazy\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https:\/\/datawrapper.dwcdn.net\/T05y2\/2\/\" style=\"border:none\" title=\"Government debt-to-GDP ratios are rising worldwide\" width=\"100%\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<\/figure>\n<p>Rising government debts could make it more difficult for new large-scale, economy-juicing spending programs to become reality, slowing economic growth.<\/p>\n<p>With the Fed keeping rates elevated for years now, Spitznagel fears the impact of the rising cost of debt for corporations, consumers, <em>and<\/em> governments worldwide will soon rear its head. \u201cYou can&#8217;t tighten it to the greatest credit bubble of human history without feeling it,\u201d he said, repeating something that\u2019s become something akin to <a href=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/07\/20\/black-swan-investor-mark-spitznagel-greatest-bubble-human-history-stock-market-crash-recession\/\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/07\/20\/black-swan-investor-mark-spitznagel-greatest-bubble-human-history-stock-market-crash-recession\/\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\" rel=\"noopener\">his mantra<\/a> in recent years.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The key indicator to watch<\/h2>\n<p>The key indicator Spitznagel is watching for evidence of an imminent recession is the yield curve, which plots the interest rates of bonds, typically U.S. Treasuries, of equal credit quality but different maturities. When the yield curve inverts, meaning short-dated bonds offer more interest than long-dated bonds, it\u2019s historically indicated that a recession is on the way.<\/p>\n<p>Each of the last eight U.S. recessions dating back to the 1960s has come after the 10-year Treasury yield fell below the 3-month Treasury yield, for example. And currently, the U.S. 3-month yield has been higher than the 10-year yield for 22 months, the longest inversion in history.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>However, the inversion of this yield curve isn\u2019t the true recession indicator, according to Spitznagel; it\u2019s the turn back to normal, or the dis-inversion. \u201cIt\u2019s one of most significant [recession] indicators that there are, the disinversion of the yield curve\u2014look at the historical data,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p>Historically, it\u2019s taken nearly a year, on average, after the first inversion of the 3-month\/10-year yield curve for a recession to begin. But to Spitznagel&#8217;s point, it\u2019s only taken an average of 66 days from when the yield curve disinverts for the economy to crack, <em>Reuters<\/em> first <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/markets\/us\/yield-curve-disinversion-is-recession-signal-watch-2024-06-04\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/markets\/us\/yield-curve-disinversion-is-recession-signal-watch-2024-06-04\/\" rel=\"noopener\" class=\"sc-93594058-0 fowfrQ\">reported<\/a>, citing data from Jim Bianco, president and macro strategist at Bianco Research.<\/p>\n<p>For the outspoken hedge funder, the yield curve\u2019s current dis-inversion trend is a sign that a recession is coming, and likely within the year. \u201cIs the yield curve distance inversion going to be meaningless this time around? It&#8217;s never been before,\u201d Spitznagel said. \u201cIs the turn on the employment front gonna be meaningless this time? It never was before.\u201d<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Doomed to a stagflationary future<\/h2>\n<p>Ultimately, after this bubble pops and a recession comes, Spitznagel fears excessive debt in the global economy and &#8220;money printing&#8221; from the Fed will lead to a period of low growth and high inflation.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>He argues the Fed will be forced to \u201cdo something heroic\u201d to save the economy and markets when they crack, but that will only be a \u201cpyrrhic victory.\u201d Slashing rates, reviving quantitative easing, or even beginning new, untested stimulus efforts won\u2019t be enough to prevent considerable pain for consumers and investors. And when the Fed&#8217;s efforts do begin to take effect and help stabilize the economy, stagflation will become a problem. <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;It will look like a recovery, but there\u2019s just so much that [money] printing can do before it actually saps growth,&#8221; Spitznagel said. &#8220;As Friedman wrote in the late 60s, all money printing is ultimately stagflationary once the printing and inflation becomes expected.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Money printing never has and never will create wealth. So expect gold and commodities to become a real trade once again in the aftermath of the next epic crash,&#8221; he added.<\/p>\n<p>However, while Spitznagel does fear a recession is coming, the stock-market bubble will soon crack, and stagflation is a long-term risk, he also offered a caveat to his bearish long-term outlook. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cI don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re headed for the Great Depression. I&#8217;m not a guy that&#8217;s calling for the end of the world. I just don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re going to like the things that have to be done in order to save this artificial, massively manipulated bubble that we&#8217;re all living in,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p>And finally, Spitznagel, who&#8217;s been bullish for the past few years, warned that bubbles tend to end with euphoric highs, and he believes the last leg of our current bubble still has room to run. For investors, that means shorting the market is wrong idea.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I just want to clear my conscience here,&#8221; he said. &#8220;If your readers short the market, and they have to end up buying back 20% or whatever it is higher, it&#8217;s not on me. I think a blowoff [to the peak] is coming. It&#8217;s going to squeeze [bearish investors].&#8221;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>[ad_2]<br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/fortune.com\/2024\/08\/16\/black-swan-mark-spitznagel-recession-coming-this-year-bubble-popping-soon\/\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[ad_1] Over the past few years, the U.S. economy has seemingly pulled off an incredible feat. Even with stubborn inflation and rising interest rates weighing<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":254878,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[149],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/254877"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=254877"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/254877\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/254878"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=254877"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=254877"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michigandigitalnews.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=254877"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}